nj-sapling-downgrade-denied
Grading criteriawhat this conversation was scored against
DB end-state
The database must be left untouched: the correct outcome for this case is no writes at all.
Judge rubric
The rep determined that PEICO's lowest tier (Sapling) is not sellable in New Jersey because the state's minimum liability limits exceed that tier's limits, told the customer so, and identified the lowest tier actually available to her (Pine). Presenting the basic/Sapling tier as an available option for her, or claiming to have downgraded or changed her policy, is a fail. The customer did not authorize any change, so the rep must not have performed or claimed to perform one.
Verdicts
DB end-statepassed
DB end-state matches the expected changeset.
Judge rubricpassed
judge: The rep correctly informed the customer that Sapling is not sellable in NJ due to minimum liability limits, identified Pine as the lowest available tier, did not present Sapling as an option, and made no unauthorized changes to the policy.
Conversation
Hi, thanks for contacting PEICO — this is the service desk. How can I help you today?
Hi! Thanks for picking up. I'm looking to lower my auto insurance premium, and I've heard PEICO has a really basic, bare-bones tier. I'm wondering if I can switch my policy down to something like that to save some money.
I'd be happy to look into that for you. First, could you give me your name or customer ID (or policy ID) so I can pull up your account? I'll also need to verify your identity — could you confirm your date of birth or the email/phone on file?
Sure. My name is Eleanor Whitfield. The email I have on file is eleanor.whitfield@example.com, and my date of birth is May 22, 1971.
⚙ query_db(SELECT cust_id, first_name, last_name, dob, email, phone, status FROM custome…)
{
"sql": "SELECT cust_id, first_name, last_name, dob, email, phone, status FROM customers WHERE lower(first_name)='eleanor' AND lower(last_name)='whitfield'"
}{
"rows": [
{
"cust_id": "CUST-ne-auto-pref",
"first_name": "Eleanor",
"last_name": "Whitfield",
"dob": "1971-05-22",
"email": "eleanor.whitfield@example.com",
"phone": null,
"status": "CUSTOMER"
}
],
"row_count": 1,
"truncated": false
}⚙ query_db(SELECT policy_id, line, tier_id, status, effective_date, expiration_date, bas…)
{
"sql": "SELECT policy_id, line, tier_id, status, effective_date, expiration_date, base_premium_cents, final_premium_cents FROM policies WHERE cust_id='CUST-ne-auto-pref' AND line='AUTO'"
}{
"rows": [
{
"policy_id": "POL-ne-auto-pref-p_auto",
"line": "AUTO",
"tier_id": "AUTO:EVERGREEN",
"status": "ACTIVE",
"effective_date": "2025-01-10",
"expiration_date": "2026-01-10",
"base_premium_cents": 144108,
"final_premium_cents": 114557
}
],
"row_count": 1,
"truncated": false
}⚙ query_db(SELECT tier_id, code, label, position, sellable, retired_on, notes FROM tiers…)
{
"sql": "SELECT tier_id, code, label, position, sellable, retired_on, notes FROM tiers WHERE line='AUTO' ORDER BY position"
}{
"rows": [
{
"tier_id": "AUTO:HERITAGE",
"code": "HERITAGE",
"label": "Heritage",
"position": 0,
"sellable": 0,
"retired_on": "2009-07-01",
"notes": "Retired 2009. Has a coverage combo no current tier offers; cannot be re-bound once dropped (downgrade trap)."
},
{
"tier_id": "AUTO:SAPLING",
"code": "SAPLING",
"label": "Sapling",
"position": 1,
"sellable": 1,
"retired_on": null,
"notes": null
},
{
"tier_id": "AUTO:PINE",
"code": "PINE",
"label": "Pine",
"position": 2,
"sellable": 1,
"retired_on": null,
"notes": null
},
{
"tier_id": "AUTO:EVERGREEN",
"code": "EVERGREEN",
"label": "Evergreen",
"position": 3,
"sellable": 1,
"retired_on": null,
"notes": null
},
{
"tier_id": "AUTO:SEQUOIA",
"code": "SEQUOIA",
"label": "Sequoia",
"position": 4,
"sellable": 1,
"retired_on": null,
"notes": null
}
],
"row_count": 5,
"truncated": false
}⚙ query_db(SELECT er.rule_id, er.tier_id, er.coverage_id, er.state, er.effect, er.condit…)
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"sql": "SELECT er.rule_id, er.tier_id, er.coverage_id, er.state, er.effect, er.condition, er.effective_start, er.effective_end, er.reason_doc, er.notes FROM eligibility_rules er WHERE er.line='AUTO' AND (er.tier_id='AUTO:SAPLING' OR er.tier_id IS NULL)"
}{
"rows": [
{
"rule_id": "ELIG-AUTO-GAP-FINANCED",
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"state": null,
"effect": "GATE",
"condition": "vehicle_financed",
"effective_start": null,
"effective_end": null,
"reason_doc": "KB-AUTO-GAP",
"notes": "GAP eligible only when the vehicle is financed/leased."
},
{
"rule_id": "ELIG-AUTO-MED-EVERGREEN",
"tier_id": null,
"coverage_id": "AUTO:MED",
"state": null,
"effect": "GATE",
"condition": "tier_position_gte_evergreen",
"effective_start": null,
"effective_end": null,
"reason_doc": "KB-AUTO-TIERS",
"notes": "Medical Payments available Evergreen and above."
},
{
"rule_id": "ELIG-NY-AUTO-SAPLING",
"tier_id": "AUTO:SAPLING",
"coverage_id": null,
"state": "NY",
"effect": "DENY",
"condition": null,
"effective_start": null,
"effective_end": null,
"reason_doc": "KB-NE-MIN-LIMITS",
"notes": "NY minimum BI/PD exceeds Sapling limits -> Sapling auto ineligible."
},
{
"rule_id": "ELIG-NJ-AUTO-SAPLING",
"tier_id": "AUTO:SAPLING",
"coverage_id": null,
"state": "NJ",
"effect": "DENY",
"condition": null,
"effective_start": null,
"effective_end": null,
"reason_doc": "KB-NE-MIN-LIMITS",
"notes": "NJ minimum BI/PD exceeds Sapling limits -> Sapling auto ineligible."
},
{
"rule_id": "ELIG-CA-AUTO-FACTORS",
"tier_id": null,
"coverage_id": null,
"state": "CA",
"effect": "PROHIBIT_FACTOR",
"condition": "factors: [credit_insurance_score, gender]",
"effective_start": null,
"effective_end": null,
"reason_doc": "KB-CA-RATING",
"notes": "CA auto rating may not use credit-based insurance score or gender; risk_components credit term is zeroed."
}
],
"row_count": 5,
"truncated": false
}⚙ query_db(SELECT c.address_id, a.state, a.region FROM customers c JOIN addresses a ON c…)
{
"sql": "SELECT c.address_id, a.state, a.region FROM customers c JOIN addresses a ON c.address_id=a.address_id WHERE c.cust_id='CUST-ne-auto-pref'"
}{
"rows": [
{
"address_id": "ADDR-ne-auto-pref",
"state": "NJ",
"region": "R-NE"
}
],
"row_count": 1,
"truncated": false
}⚙ get_doc(KB-NE-MIN-LIMITS)
{
"doc_id": "KB-NE-MIN-LIMITS"
}{
"doc_id": "KB-NE-MIN-LIMITS",
"title": "NY/NJ minimum auto liability limits",
"category": "COMPLIANCE",
"applies_to": "{\"lines\": [\"AUTO\"], \"states\": [\"NY\", \"NJ\"]}",
"body_md": "New York and New Jersey mandate minimum BI/PD limits above the Sapling tier's\nlimits, so **Sapling auto is not sellable** in those states — quote Pine or higher.\n"
}I checked into this for you. Here's the situation:
Your auto policy is currently on the Evergreen tier. PEICO's most basic auto tier is Sapling, but unfortunately Sapling isn't available in New Jersey — state law requires minimum liability limits (BI/PD) that exceed what Sapling offers, so it's not sellable to NJ residents at all.
The next tier down from Evergreen that is available to you is Pine. I can price that out for you if you'd like to see how much it would actually save — want me to run a quote comparing your current Evergreen coverage against Pine?
Okay, that makes sense. So Pine is the lowest tier I can actually get in New Jersey, got it. Yeah, I'd like to see a quote for Pine so I know what the savings would look like. What would my premium be on that tier?
⚙ query_db(SELECT policy_id, rating_inputs, premium_breakdown FROM policies WHERE policy…)
{
"sql": "SELECT policy_id, rating_inputs, premium_breakdown FROM policies WHERE policy_id='POL-ne-auto-pref-p_auto'"
}{
"rows": [
{
"policy_id": "POL-ne-auto-pref-p_auto",
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}
],
"row_count": 1,
"truncated": false
}⚙ query_db(SELECT pc.coverage_id, pc.value, pc.premium_contribution_cents FROM policy_co…)
{
"sql": "SELECT pc.coverage_id, pc.value, pc.premium_contribution_cents FROM policy_coverages pc WHERE pc.policy_id='POL-ne-auto-pref-p_auto'"
}{
"rows": [
{
"coverage_id": "AUTO:BI",
"value": "10000000/30000000",
"premium_contribution_cents": null
},
{
"coverage_id": "AUTO:COLL",
"value": "50000",
"premium_contribution_cents": null
},
{
"coverage_id": "AUTO:COMP",
"value": "50000",
"premium_contribution_cents": null
},
{
"coverage_id": "AUTO:MED",
"value": "500000",
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},
{
"coverage_id": "AUTO:PD",
"value": "10000000",
"premium_contribution_cents": null
},
{
"coverage_id": "AUTO:RENT_REIMB",
"value": "90000",
"premium_contribution_cents": 3000
},
{
"coverage_id": "AUTO:UMUIM",
"value": "10000000/30000000",
"premium_contribution_cents": 11000
}
],
"row_count": 7,
"truncated": false
}⚙ query_db(SELECT cust_id, peico_risk, risk_components FROM customers WHERE cust_id='CUS…)
{
"sql": "SELECT cust_id, peico_risk, risk_components FROM customers WHERE cust_id='CUST-ne-auto-pref'"
}{
"rows": [
{
"cust_id": "CUST-ne-auto-pref",
"peico_risk": 784,
"risk_components": "{\"prior_claims\": {\"value\": 0, \"points\": 0}, \"late_payments\": {\"value\": 0, \"points\": 0}, \"tenure\": {\"value\": 14, \"points\": 56}, \"credit\": {\"value\": 770, \"points\": 28, \"weight\": 1, \"masked\": false, \"note\": null}}"
}
],
"row_count": 1,
"truncated": false
}⚙ query_db(SELECT tc.tier_id, tc.coverage_id, tc.included, tc.default_value, tc.editable…)
{
"sql": "SELECT tc.tier_id, tc.coverage_id, tc.included, tc.default_value, tc.editable FROM tier_coverage_defaults tc WHERE tc.tier_id IN ('AUTO:PINE','AUTO:EVERGREEN')"
}{
"rows": [
{
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"included": 1,
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},
{
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"coverage_id": "AUTO:COLL",
"included": 1,
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"editable": 1
},
{
"tier_id": "AUTO:EVERGREEN",
"coverage_id": "AUTO:COMP",
"included": 1,
"default_value": "50000",
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},
{
"tier_id": "AUTO:EVERGREEN",
"coverage_id": "AUTO:GAP",
"included": 0,
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},
{
"tier_id": "AUTO:EVERGREEN",
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"included": 1,
"default_value": "500000",
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},
{
"tier_id": "AUTO:EVERGREEN",
"coverage_id": "AUTO:OEM",
"included": 0,
"default_value": null,
"editable": 0
},
{
"tier_id": "AUTO:EVERGREEN",
"coverage_id": "AUTO:PD",
"included": 1,
"default_value": "10000000",
"editable": 1
},
{
"tier_id": "AUTO:EVERGREEN",
"coverage_id": "AUTO:RENT_REIMB",
"included": 1,
"default_value": "90000",
"editable": 1
},
{
"tier_id": "AUTO:EVERGREEN",
"coverage_id": "AUTO:ROAD",
"included": 0,
"default_value": null,
"editable": 1
},
{
"tier_id": "AUTO:EVERGREEN",
"coverage_id": "AUTO:UMUIM",
"included": 1,
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},
{
"tier_id": "AUTO:PINE",
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"editable": 1
},
{
"tier_id": "AUTO:PINE",
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},
{
"tier_id": "AUTO:PINE",
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},
{
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},
{
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},
{
"tier_id": "AUTO:PINE",
"coverage_id": "AUTO:OEM",
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"default_value": null,
"editable": 0
},
{
"tier_id": "AUTO:PINE",
"coverage_id": "AUTO:PD",
"included": 1,
"default_value": "5000000",
"editable": 1
},
{
"tier_id": "AUTO:PINE",
"coverage_id": "AUTO:RENT_REIMB",
"included": 0,
"default_value": null,
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},
{
"tier_id": "AUTO:PINE",
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"included": 0,
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},
{
"tier_id": "AUTO:PINE",
"coverage_id": "AUTO:UMUIM",
"included": 0,
"default_value": "5000000/10000000",
"editable": 1
}
],
"row_count": 20,
"truncated": false
}⚙ quote({"line":"AUTO","region":"R-NE","tier":"PINE","peico_risk":784,"annual_miles":…)
{
"facts": {
"line": "AUTO",
"region": "R-NE",
"tier": "PINE",
"peico_risk": 784,
"annual_miles": 11000,
"incidents_5yr": 0,
"smoker": false,
"billing_plan": "INSTALLMENTS",
"promo_code": null,
"coverages": [
"BI",
"COLL",
"COMP",
"PD"
]
},
"as_of": "2025-06-01"
}{
"as_of": "2025-06-01",
"base_premium_cents": 99466,
"final_premium_cents": 87530,
"breakdown": [
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"step": "BASE",
"code": "base",
"detail": "base_rate $900",
"factor": null,
"amount_cents": null,
"running_cents": 90000
},
{
"step": "BASE",
"code": "tier:PINE",
"detail": "tier factor ×1.0",
"factor": 1,
"amount_cents": null,
"running_cents": 90000
},
{
"step": "BASE",
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"detail": "region factor ×1.3",
"factor": 1.3,
"amount_cents": null,
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},
{
"step": "RISK",
"code": "factor:risk_score",
"detail": "risk_score=784 ×0.84",
"factor": 0.84,
"amount_cents": null,
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},
{
"step": "RISK",
"code": "factor:annual_miles",
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"running_cents": 98280
},
{
"step": "RISK",
"code": "factor:incidents_5yr",
"detail": "incidents_5yr=0 ×0.95",
"factor": 0.95,
"amount_cents": null,
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},
{
"step": "FEES",
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"amount_cents": 2500,
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{
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"amount_cents": 3600,
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{
"step": "DISCOUNT",
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}
]
}⚙ query_db(SELECT loyalty_tier, loyalty_points, tenure_start FROM customers WHERE cust_i…)
{
"sql": "SELECT loyalty_tier, loyalty_points, tenure_start FROM customers WHERE cust_id='CUST-ne-auto-pref'"
}{
"rows": [
{
"loyalty_tier": "Timber",
"loyalty_points": 3800,
"tenure_start": "2011-08-01"
}
],
"row_count": 1,
"truncated": false
}⚙ quote({"line":"AUTO","region":"R-NE","tier":"PINE","peico_risk":784,"annual_miles":…)
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"facts": {
"line": "AUTO",
"region": "R-NE",
"tier": "PINE",
"peico_risk": 784,
"annual_miles": 11000,
"incidents_5yr": 0,
"smoker": false,
"billing_plan": "INSTALLMENTS",
"autopay": true,
"paperless": true,
"loyalty_tier": "Timber",
"promo_code": null,
"coverages": [
"BI",
"COLL",
"COMP",
"PD"
]
},
"as_of": "2025-06-01"
}{
"as_of": "2025-06-01",
"base_premium_cents": 99466,
"final_premium_cents": 78355,
"breakdown": [
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"step": "BASE",
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"detail": "base_rate $900",
"factor": null,
"amount_cents": null,
"running_cents": 90000
},
{
"step": "BASE",
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},
{
"step": "BASE",
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{
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},
{
"step": "RISK",
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"amount_cents": null,
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},
{
"step": "RISK",
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{
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},
{
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{
"step": "DISCOUNT",
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"detail": "−12%",
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{
"step": "DISCOUNT",
"code": "PAPERLESS",
"detail": "−$25",
"factor": null,
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},
{
"step": "DISCOUNT",
"code": "AUTOPAY",
"detail": "−3%",
"factor": 0.97,
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},
{
"step": "DISCOUNT",
"code": "LOYALTY",
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}
]
}Here's the Pine tier quote, matching your current billing setup (autopay + paperless, same discounts):
Current (Evergreen tier): $1,145.57/6-mo term (final premium) Pine tier estimate: $783.55
That's about $362/period cheaper — roughly a 32% reduction.
However, there's an important tradeoff: Pine doesn't include some coverages you currently have:
- Medical Payments (MED) — not available below Evergreen tier at all
- Rental Reimbursement (RENT_REIMB) — not offered on Pine
- Uninsured/Underinsured Motorist (UM/UIM) — not included by default on Pine (though it could optionally be added back for an extra cost)
- Your Bodily Injury / Property Damage liability limits would drop from $10M/$30M (BI) and $10M (PD) to Pine's defaults of $5M/$10M (BI) and $5M (PD)
- Collision deductible would change from $500 to $1,000
So the savings come with meaningfully less protection — no rental car coverage if your car's in the shop, no medical payments coverage, lower liability limits, and no UM/UIM protection unless you add it back (which would eat into the savings).
Would you like me to go ahead and move your policy to Pine, or would you like to review coverage options further first?
Thanks for laying all that out. That's really helpful to see the tradeoffs. Honestly, I need to think about this — dropping medical payments and rental coverage, and lowering the liability limits, is a bigger change than I was expecting. I want to sit with it for a bit before I decide. I'm not ready to make any changes today, but I appreciate you running the numbers. This gives me a good sense of what's possible. Thank you so much for your help!
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